I got an interesting feedback:
Greetings!
Here's a female blogger from USA called Violent Acres. This blogger who dedicates her focus on the topics of real estate, financial independence, entrepreneurship, as well as relationships, human responsibility and other social topics; is particularly known for her confrontational and opinionated style. Some admire her tough-mindedness but others criticize her for being too arrogant and say she's mean and likes to start arguments. Truth to be told, she can be insulting, but sometimes such political incorrectness she displays is refreshing. She's a good writer too.
Here's one of her articles concerning marriage <http://www.violentacres.com/archives/313/marriage-is-a-series-of-peaks-and-valleys> . She offers her own interpretation as per why few people can get married nowadays and make it work. I send it to you because I can see that it deviates from your interpretation. Basically she says: people hope for a fairytale. They envision a lifetime of being completely in sync with another person. But then it's over. Because there's no fairytale, she says. Marriage is a series of peaks and valleys and most pairs panic when they hit the first valley. And it's a slippery slope to divorce. She says valleys are temporary and you need to come to grips with it in order to make marriage last. When her marriage hits a valley, she focuses her energy and effort away from the relationship. She thinks that it's impossible for couples to be together all the time. Sometimes some degree of separation is necessary and it's ok to do your own thing.
How valid do you think this point is? Has she figured it out fine or does she betray that she still may not be in the perfect relationship? You've been together for 3 years and it seems you've never had valleys at all. Also, what connection would you assume is there between her aggressive and militant attitude; and the possible quality of her marriage? Not that I expect some authoritative truth from you, but your perspective and insight is definitely intriguing. And I'm always interested in synthesis of different ideas and perspectives that intrigue me.
Take care!
My answer:
well, this Violent Acres seems to have very high self-esteem. As she regards ordinary things very special. In spite of all the gas-station talks, people still marry each other. And tend to live together, for years, in spite of all those valleys and ups.
And I admit that I did share Violent Acres's opinions, for years (well, almost everybody does, Desperate Housewives, the soap opera is all about it!), that marriage is a series of ups and downs, and you have to accept it. That the secret is how to live with it, all those ups and downs. How to cope with that marriage like a war.
Until I met Irja. And my opinion changed. I felt far more wiser than I was before, during my previous marriage that lasted for 13 years and was a perfect series of ups and downs, anger and passion, some good time together, and then weeks spent apart. And now, after 3 years together with Irja (and we have been really together all the time, 24/7), I know that there is another way. That it is possible to find a person who you can have good time with. Who you love to be together with (even without alcohol, drugs, antidepressants, painkillers and other hallucinogens that help make life seem happier). I think this is love. The feeling that gives you wings. For years. That one can be happy and free to be himself. And that this can be reality, not a kind of imagination, where people pretend to be happy and love each other, although they do not.
Well, and fairy-tales don't appear from nothing. They are about what people really dream of. And dreams coming true, isn't it the force that motivates the whole mankind?! The dreams do come true. But in love it doesn't happen very often. And the question is not, how to cope with unhappy marriage, but how to find the right person to have a happy marriage. And that is a tough thing, as this is not taught at the universities and you cannot find a book that writes about it. Isn't it strange?! That the most important thing, that life, love and happiness is all about, is somehow like a baby left unattended. And sometimes that baby manages to survive, but mostly not. And this is regarded as normal.
And what I am really sure in, is that it is better to live alone than with person that you really do not love, that you don't want to be together with. Because then you have a lot better chance to find the so-called right person. That suits you. And do not listen to all those mums and dads who start to speak about quick marriage and kids! They usually do it only to save their own unhappy marriage, by creating another (unhappy) one (well, wedding of a son or daughter definitely IS a huge UP, as described by Violent Acres).
Another reason behind willingness to create unhappy relationships, besides lack of info and "long-lasting tradition", seems to be love for fighting, struggle, war. Lots of contemporary marriages are true battlefields. With winners and losers, those who survive, prevail, and those who drop and die. And the losers shouldn't even be among the fighting couple, they can be children. And usually they are children who suffer because of unhappy marriage. They often become sick, are nervous, have asthma or allergies.
But children usually do not drop, they have the possibility to escape. Leave home. The one who drops, sooner or later, is one of the fighters. And the other is the "winner". And the loser, lets say the husband, is later remembered as a "hard-working man", good father", "but didn't make it", etc.
Yeah, but what a life this is?! To live and die in a battlefield. Ok, one might hope that there will be a better one after death, somewhere on the edge of the clouds. And that the harder the life is (i.e. the bigger the suffering), the better the reward in afterlife. Like tons of young naked girls, all ready to fuck, that muslim men seem to hope. Well, who knows. But such beliefs make life in the present world quite pointless. And isn't this kind of masochism the main reason of the worldwide wars?! I am pretty sure that people who are happy with their lives, who do not become soldiers in their own relationship, can not accept war on a larger scale.
10 kommentaari:
Hi and thanks for the answer.
Many good points that I agree with as usual. Still, you didn't mention this change thing. VA believes people change and most of those so-called fairytale-oriented folks expect that they change in sync with their partner. Do you believe you and Irja will always remain the same persons you fell in love with and there's no likelihood that either of you starts drifting into a different direction? What room is there for evolution of personality in the kind of ideal relationships you seem to be enjoying?
I think the basic theme in VA's post is not necessarily that you should cope with shitty marriage, but rather, you should never have too high expectations for your partner. Like, what if you all of a sudden forgot Irja's birthday or were merely less than enthused about a single outing, would you think it was OK if she threw temper tantrums, crying fits, martyrdom, blame games and displayed other trappings of womanly angst. This was actually highly likely Ingrid's standard behavior repertoire as well, that's why I would not really compare your previous marriage to the kind VA seems to have.
Well, do you really think people change?! I mean, people can change behaviour, they can learn, become wiser, have more experience, but they can not change their essence, their colour of eyes, their smell, sense of humour and other things that come with your DNA. You either click with your partner 100%, or 0%. That is the miserable truth.
Well, love and happiness is all about chemistry, in scientific terms. In other, simpler words, it means, you should find a person that suits you, who you can love. And don't mess it up with situations whereas you simply like somebody, or want to possess. These things are often messed up with love, but they are usually means of substitution for love.
And yes, I believe Irja will remain the same, as I have remained the same for 38 years already. I have no illusions. That's the reality. And on the contrary, day by day we find things that we have in common. We have similar sense of humour, we like similar food. Sometimes it is difficult to explain, but I feel that I want to be with her, all the time, she is like a part of me. I can not be happy without her. Simple as that.
And about expectations. I didn't have any expectations before meeting Irja. Actually, I had already lost any hope to find a good person to live with. I started to think about the afterlife, to be true. So I drank a lot, even drove a car while drunk, smoked cigarettes, made even drugs, and used other such things that millions of people do to kill themselves slowly. Now I look on those days as a bad dream. Now I want to live! Be happy with Irja. I call Irja my lifesaver. Meeting her brought me back to life.
And all those things that people don't like with each other, they show that you are dealing with wrong person. Let him or her go, and find your own true love and happiness! I don't see a point of living together without love and do all those nasty things like shouting on each other, beating, etc. Why for gods sake?! What gives a person the right to be unsatisfied with the other?! To start to change the other. The is a right person for everyone in the world and everybody deserve to be happy, but nothing changes until people don't let another go, keep on reanimating their unhappy relationship, thus enslaving each other, preserving everlasting war.
And then there are many of those who go through a string of unhappy marriages and then conclude marriage is bunk! The entire institution is rotten. So they will resort to cohabitation, blatant promiscuity, or worse still, stop looking for partners altogether.
There are disillusioned people who have broken away from bad relationships and then they say that your entire ideal that "you need to find a compatible partner" is bunk and that anyone who believes it is naive, or worse still, brainwashed! Societally conditioned to accept that wishy washy crap! Even when one is not really that extremist, it's not too uncommon to meet an argument that goes like this:
"Nobody was MADE for someone else! Ever! Do you really expect a human pet for yourself? If there is compatibility between two people, then it's something to be learned. It takes effort."
People tend to throw the baby out of bathwater. Bathwater sucks indeed, but I'm inquiring whether or not the baby is fine at all.
One more thing about promiscuity: many think that in the sixties the sexual morality went downhill. At least the so called sex revolution today could be viewed as a reaction against the obsolete norms of lifelong marriage for marriage sake, which just needed to happen. I think Frank Zappa's song "Ain't Got No Heart" is a perfect summation of the sixties social-sexual attitudes that came to dominate: its protagonist questions a tenacious woman about what is so fine about her that he should be stuck with her and give up the "groovy life" he led? I'm glad that this mentality came to shake the paradigm of being stuck with someone for the rest of the life. But it's only a temporary solution. The issue whether or not monogamy really works remains a school-still-in-session type matter.
Yeah, as my Finnish friend (a "happily" married man, 2 kids, good job, enough money) once said, after I asked, why he drinks: "Life sucks." ("Elämä vituttaa.")
Life sucks, this is what many think and continue thinking. I was one of them. And nothing really helps, even religion, the lifesaver for centuries, that is difficult to accept among educated people. What leaves? You cannot buy happiness for money, you cannot make life happier by alcohol and drugs (the idols of the 1960s), as there will be hangover, that makes things even worse. Kids do not make one really happy, as they leave anyway, and what then?! Although, yes, many make good couples with their children, who seem to be close. Some even fuck their children, because as was said, life sucks.
A new house, new car, new trip, they don't make anybody happy, as those things become old very soon. And lots of people treat others like things, thus there is a constant need for new one. New dress, new cellphone, new wife..., new this and that, new everything. As old things depress. Isn't it so?!
Or, yes, modern showbiz, movies, TV helps to forget this (that life sucks), at least for some time. But then there's again the time, before going to bed, in the loo, that one is together with own thoughts. Although, showbiz has sneaked even to restrooms, and people quite accept it.
All those substitutes mentioned give some kind of satisfaction. And people like to be satisfied, at least satisfied. That is what modern entertainment is all about. Satisfaction guaranteed.
Love is an illusion.
Inno, I can certainly understand that you felt like a total downer during the pre-Irja period, but your post about life sucking betrays a bit of mopey attitude on your part. In fact, Vilja Kiisler wrote two years ago in SL Õhtuleht that you were a case of banal self-pity. I guess I would not go as far as you seem to be very content with your current marriage and you've got your shit together overall, but I still sense something perilous about what you've said.
First you put too much emphasis on the person you consider not only the love of your life, but also a lifesaver. As far as I've understood, people generally are wary of someone being desperate. Being desperate is a sign of mental weakness and it is usually detrimental when it comes to attracting someone you're interested in. It's likely you managed to act a lot tougher than you actually felt like the day you met Irja. Let me tell you something about myself: once I was extremely pissed off and very sad and then I found myself in Illegaard and all of a sudden I saw someone that I knew, I sat down, put my negative feelings aside and had quite an interesting conversation with him for the next two hours. I was glad to see him and even more glad to converse with him. And when I returned home, I felt quite happy actually. I felt that the encounter energized me. It's likely that you, on that fateful evening, set your mopey feelings aside and just had a bit of conversation with Irja that had nothing to do with your wife you were about to leave and you thought she's a great girl and the rest is history!
I used to be very mopey too several years ago. But what I noticed was that whenever I would whine about how insecure, lonely and inferior I felt, people would grow tired of such litany very soon. I was told that if I was so dissatisfied with my life, then I should take action to change what I'm dissatisfied with. For me, it was much easier to continue being so mopey, whiny and downright wimpy. I thought I was depressed, but it's likely that all teenagers think at some point that their lives suck and that they're so depressed. Picked on and socially rejected at school? Check. Parents don't understand? Check. Hell, now you see how tempting it is to mope? Eventually I just realized that I have to stop feeling so inferior to others and learn how to be more content with myself. So how to be happy?
My answer is that you should develop your own value outside of what other people or conventional society might think. If there's something you really love about yourself then it becomes easier to be content with yourself. It requires practice to be at ease and feel at peace with yourself. Also, if one is worried about others' opinion, then all one needs to do is to critically think about all the effort that it would take to please those who might not approve! Any sane person would conclude that it's a complete waste trying to please others. There's no way I can please everybody. There's no way I can find contentment if I followed the standard socially-hyped path instead of my own heart. Happiness requires some level of discipline. I disbelieve in magic doorways.
Well, sometimes it seems that V. Kiisler & others know my life better than I do. In no way I want to make somebody follow my steps, act like me in any particular way. My only aim was to describe my experience. So that others can learn something, maybe. And, of course I haven't had a chance to tell everything. And what is interesting, before I have ever done so, some people seem to know the truth about me.
Let me talk first.
And other point, like some newspapers/journalists in Estonia, people seem to mix my past and future in a way they like to do it. Its is strange and confusing. The things like drunk driving, drinking, smoking, prostitutes, drugs occured in my life in the distant past only, whilst I was a honoured business journalist, husband and father. Now, that I am (according to news) a scandally divorced butthead, self-molester, atc, I have none of those "problems". And I feel really happy. And I am surprised myself, especially of the strange behaviour of the media and journalists. What have I done? Told too much truth about my past. Others felt offended? Or did I show somebody the mirror?
Or rather: perhaps the others are pissed off because they're stuck with pleasing others and their own false sense of pride that is only there to impress others; while you have rejected this bullshit in favor of true self-fulfillment? It seems that some people can't take the hard truth that there's nobody to blame but themselves if they're stuck with what Irja calls "purrleezing career". You and Irja show that there's no reason to be a banal kiss-ass and a pusillanimous pharisee. And that's not comfortable for those who are conditioned to deny themselves and only please others at all cost.
Anyway, I didn't really want to imply that I think that I know everything about you, I was just curious about certain aspects about you. It's a challenge for me to figure out how one person can magically be transformed from miserable life and mindset into true blissful happiness, overnight! What I'm willing to agree with is that certain kind of stimuli might provide impetus to take control of your own life and start working on your happiness slowly but surely.
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